tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post2617923844632358058..comments2023-08-27T11:53:19.266+02:00Comments on Batcheeba's inner world: Wikileaks - Big brother's big brotherBatcheebahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-70994960331983474462010-12-19T18:37:42.140+01:002010-12-19T18:37:42.140+01:00I am well aware of that article. And if you read a...I am well aware of that article. And if you read all the links I have posted, there is little new added, oh besides the hopes of finacial gain and plotting revenge that is. <br /><br />This is _still_ not a matter for the judicial system. They have both stated clearly that it was consensual sex. Disagreement over contraception, or sexual preferances is a private matter. They did NOT go to the cops to report rape. <br /><br /> And I would like to bring your attention to this: "I have seen a statement from one of the witnesses that she was bamboozled ... I have heard a rumour that one has withdrawn her statement." <br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/18/bank-of-america-refuses-to-handle-wikileaks-payments<br /><br />http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/12/18/nyheter/utenriks/wikileaks/julian_assange/sverige/14766935/Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-64183785053496766302010-12-19T17:28:20.351+01:002010-12-19T17:28:20.351+01:00The Guardian has today published details of the ac...The Guardian has today published details of the accusations. As you will see, they diverge clearly from the "facts" presented above.<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-swedenAnders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-29202727699233600022010-12-16T18:35:32.922+01:002010-12-16T18:35:32.922+01:00I am not press. This is a public blog.I am not press. This is a public blog.Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-56709765206526159622010-12-16T17:40:27.279+01:002010-12-16T17:40:27.279+01:00Thule, you are entitled to your opinion but I thin...Thule, you are entitled to your opinion but I think it is very clear that the Norwegian press' code of ethics offers a higher degree of protection to victims of alleged crimes, than to suspected perpetrators, as stated in §4.6: http://presse.no/Pressens_Faglige_Utvalg_PFU/Var_Varsom-plakaten/<br /><br />You guys may follow your own code of ethics of course, but I think sex crime accusants in general may be happy that the Norwegian mass media have taken a more principled stand.Anders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-87978473562332056862010-12-16T16:10:30.449+01:002010-12-16T16:10:30.449+01:00I agree with Thule. AndAnders Sundnes Løvlie is w...I agree with Thule. AndAnders Sundnes Løvlie is welcome to his opinion.Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-4130334142088060142010-12-16T16:05:39.266+01:002010-12-16T16:05:39.266+01:00I would just like to point out that alleged perpet...I would just like to point out that alleged perpetrators have the same right to protection, both judicially and from the media as alleged victims. There is absolutely no difference in naming them.<br /><br />Personally I would hold that both the media and the various prosecutors involved in this case have shown poor judgement and taste. As for the two alleged victims: their case is so obviously lacking terms of logical consistency and otherwise. That this case is even prosecuted is a ridiculously grave insult to real rape victims around the world, whose cases are never even investigated.<br /><br />Furthermore, that this is allowed to affect the case of WikiLeaks is an example of astonishing idiocy from the public. The media, the authorities and the general public are evidently incapable of separating the issues at hand, and that is my final word on the alleged sexual molestation.Thulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941003119751243425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-28797540381685130792010-12-16T16:02:55.069+01:002010-12-16T16:02:55.069+01:00As far as I can see by searching through that poli...As far as I can see by searching through that political party's webpages, the woman in question was no. 12 on the list of the party's list for the local elections in her burrough of Stockholm. From what I can see she was not elected and holds no public office. The fact that she works as a "political secretary" for a political party does simply not make her a public figure - if you search for her name on the party's website, it only appears in peripheral contexts such as the candidate list I just mentioned.<br /><br />The fact that other people have revealed her name before you, does not justify you repeating it. Research on similar cases of people being flooded with negative media attention show that it is the volume of attention that causes the injury - which means that every single one who contributes shares in the responsibility.<br /><br />Anyway, I came here because you promoted the blog post on twitter and asked for readers, and because the question interests me. I also admire Assange's work for transparency in government, and I don't think that is incompatible with being open to the possibility that he may be guilty of what he is accused of. Neither you nor I have any business forming opinions about the merit of those accusations when we do not have access to the facts.Anders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-60117652491445584172010-12-16T15:15:49.857+01:002010-12-16T15:15:49.857+01:00Ardin is a public figure as she is a politician, a...Ardin is a public figure as she is a politician, and both her and Wilèn's name has been public for months. I am only writing about public information. I did in my answer to you say that I do not view this as rape, not do I view this as "sexual molestation". I stand by that. What the Swedish court will find: time will show. I supplied you with the info I have, at the same time explaining I do not have inside info. If that's not good enough, I suggest you do your own research.<br /><br />And Yes, I stand by my post 100% and I fully trust in my freedom of speech. I am a strong believer in transparency.Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-34209369633725580002010-12-16T14:38:56.131+01:002010-12-16T14:38:56.131+01:00The difference between naming the alleged perpetra...The difference between naming the alleged perpetrator and the victims of an alleged sex crime should be quite obvious, frankly. In particular when the perpetrator is the powerful leader of a world-famous organisation, who was a strong contender for "Time Person of the Year" and who has got the attention of world leaders - while the victims in this case are lower-level activists in the same organisation. These are standard principles of press ethics in Norway, and are quite routinely applied in similar cases.Anders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-68525296740916989452010-12-16T13:40:37.661+01:002010-12-16T13:40:37.661+01:00"...you have just named and shamed t(w?)o all..."...you have just named and shamed t(w?)o alleged victims of sexual molestation even though you don't know the facts of their allegations."<br /><br />Well, the international press propaganda apparatus has named and shamed an alleged sexual molester even though they don't know the facts of the allegations. So; where's the difference?<br /><br />...the difference is that HE tried to cooperate with the procecutors, THEY tried to cover up important memorandum, highly affective to the case...Haeggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066185566544317968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-13325262447668557972010-12-16T13:24:53.186+01:002010-12-16T13:24:53.186+01:00Those sources are extremely poor. The newspaper ar...Those sources are extremely poor. The newspaper article does not detail the basis for the charges, and the scribd article you link to does not support your claim that consensual sex without a condom is considered rape. (From what I understand, Assange is charged with violating section 10 - "who otherwise by word or deed molests a person in a way that is likely to violate that person’s sexual integrity".)<br /><br />So in other words, you have just named and shamed to alleged victims of sexual molestation even though you don't know the facts of their allegations. I think you should consider whether that is a good way to use your freedom of expression.Anders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-896742535927911852010-12-16T13:05:43.365+01:002010-12-16T13:05:43.365+01:00thomaslg : Thanx!
Anders Sundnes Løvlie: Read thi...thomaslg : Thanx!<br /><br />Anders Sundnes Løvlie: Read this:http://tinyurl.com/2b4v8m8 and this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/45054644/Swedish-Rape-Law<br /><br />"Sex by surpise" is not listed, as that is a poor translation is my guess.<br /><br />From all I have read, both the girls had no problem with Assange the day after sex. I don't have more inside info. From what I can find, this boils down to anything but what the rest of the world would classify as rape. Time will show.Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-43722259752466976232010-12-16T12:32:23.714+01:002010-12-16T12:32:23.714+01:00I have seen this claim many places, but never any ...I have seen this claim many places, but never any source for it: "In Sweden having consecual sex without condom is rape." Do you know that this is true? Can you provide a link to a good source for that claim?<br /><br />I have read elsewhere (will find link if you're interested) that the claim made by the women are in one case that Assange used force, and in the other that he initiated sex while the woman was asleep. If that is what the women claim, I'd think that it is a good thing that the police tries to investigate it. (Although I'd agree that the extradition protest seems politically motivated as well - they'd never do all this for anyone else.)Anders Sundnes Løvliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221891771417737307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-86269169473037266472010-12-16T12:21:04.172+01:002010-12-16T12:21:04.172+01:00Good job Batcheeba :)Good job Batcheeba :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-7862378970389614802010-12-16T12:06:26.221+01:002010-12-16T12:06:26.221+01:00Thanx!!Thanx!!Batcheebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913119533219119762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3591915360702570890.post-35294206820062149372010-12-16T11:59:34.785+01:002010-12-16T11:59:34.785+01:00Beautiful!
I LOVE this post Batcheeba!
You go girl...Beautiful!<br />I LOVE this post Batcheeba!<br />You go girl!<br /><br />For the keen readers there is a LOT of material on these sites as well;<br />http://www.infowars.com<br />http://www.tarpley.net<br />http://www.educate-yourself.org/Haeggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066185566544317968noreply@blogger.com